H.M.S. ?

michel.vrtg · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:09 am

Hi, all!
Could you please confirm the fact, that the term "H.M.S." first appeared in the end of the 18th Century, just before the 19th Century?
:twisted:

If this is true, I meet a problem : there is a 1700 model called "HMS Neptune", she becomes "Neptune", and I upload a new album of pictures sent by Smaug of the "Neptune", a replica that could be seen in the movie "Pirates".
Michel

Smaug · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:39 am

Hi Michel

hmm, unfortunately I don't know when this term appeared :-/
But thank you for uploading these pictures

Cheers

Markus

MTaylor · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:03 am

I'm not sure there's a problem here. The pirate ship was supposed to be a Spanish galleon..thus, no HMS. The only problem is the real vessel would have had the Spanish for Neptune, if there is such a thing.

Mark

john chase · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:13 pm

"HMS came into use late 18th century -the earliest example is HMS Phoenix in 1789.
Liza Verity
Maritime Art Greenwich"
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/mag/Index.cfm

This is a contact I use on occasion hope this helps :wink:

One other point I find interesting is HMS is never preceeded with the word "THE"
His Majesty's Service Or Her Majesty's Service would be awkward to say the least with The Her Majesty Service or (example)The HMS Victory seems only Americans have this problem with the acronym

michel.vrtg · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:55 pm

Thank you John,
1789 is the year I thought to be correct.
Now, any idea? There can not be two albums called "Neptune" in the gallery. Maybe I'd call the album sent by Smaug "Neptune replica"?
Michel

john chase · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:07 pm

Your welcome Your librarian working for you to provide a better tomorrow :wink:

its an American slogan....

MTaylor · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:52 pm

How about Neptune with sub albums.. Neptune and HMS Neptune? Or make one Neptune, the other HMS Neptune?

Mark

boatgeek · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:15 pm

HMS? Stands for Her or His Majesty's Ship. Not service. This may be something of a new thing but that is the way it is.

Interesting that there are no other Brits weighing in on this discussion.

john chase · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:36 am

Unfortunately there is a great deal of confusion on this subject myself included below is a link describing a Captain Malcolm Cowan, R.N dated 1809 using the termonology His Majesty's Service also on a google search His Majesty Ship is widely used
http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Rigging/NC22(1809)_p300.html

also note the second sentence in the next link "The Articles of War - 1749"
http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/articles.html

I do agree His Majesty's Ship makes more sense

ps Im half Brit does that count? :

Smaug · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:49 am

michel.vrtg wrote:

Now, any idea? There can not be two albums called "Neptune" in the gallery. Maybe I'd call the album sent by Smaug "Neptune replica"?

Hello Michel,

another idea could be to name this gallery 'Galleon Neptune' ?
because this ship is not a replica of a real historic ship.

Cheers

Markus

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